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An Online Newsletter from The Baronage Press
featuring Heraldry and related subjects

Vol. 4, No. 3-4, March-April 2002


Copyright (c) 2002 by Pegasus Associates Ltd and The Baronage Press



* A Welcome
* The Last Empress
* The Laird of Dunardry
* JAG ~ Heraldic Cadency
* Classical Heraldry
* Knightships
* Burke’s Peerage
* Estoile’s Scrapbook
* Communications


The purpose of this newsletter is to link regular BARONAGE readers to those articles in the magazine that might interest them, so in it you should find mention of the art, symbolism and meaning of heraldry, and, from time to time, of the history, politics, warfare, chivalry, nobility, books, cinema and other entertainment to which heraldry has thematic links.

The pressure of events that recently squeezed our publishing programme and led to the combination of two issues of this newsletter has continued, so that now we are joining the March and April issues. We apologise for this, but do expect that soon we shall return to our normal routines and shall then be able to expand the magazine as we had planned.

In the fullness of her time, H.M. The Queen Mother, the last Empress of India, has gone to her rest and, to the immense surprise of most British republicans, among whom are a distressingly large number of government ministers and a significant minority of BBC managers, brought to her lying-in-state vast crowds of the general public queuing for up to seven hours in patient lines.
An acceptance of the sacral nature of kingship is either a matter of intellect or of trust. Those who have neither intellect nor trust gravitate naturally towards republicanism, believing that to be, despite its manifest disadvantages, “fairer” ~ while others who do have the intellect reject monarchy to satisfy their envy and prejudice, emotions that blunt objective analytical thought.
Sacral kingship is something in which we all share. For some it is a share of the blood royal (for a huge majority of those of British ancestry are, despite their inability to produce documentary proof, descended of the early English, Scottish and Irish kings). For others it can be, and ought to be, the knowledge that their own blood might run in the veins of a future monarch.
Almost nothing is known of Thomas Lister, for he was one of those ordinary people who lived an ordinary life in an ordinary village in the 18th century and left no permanent mark on British history. But he had a wife, whose name is unknown, and they had at least one child, a daughter, Mary, of whom, again, we know nothing except that she married Thomas Salisbury in Yorkshire.
Thomas and Mary had a son, another Thomas, who lived in Dorset and married Frances, the daughter of Francis Webb and an unknown mother who lived in Wiltshire. The daughter of Thomas and Frances, Anne, married in 1829 Edwyn Burnaby, a landed gentleman in Leicestershire, and Ann and Edwyn’s daughter Caroline married the Rev. Charles Cavendish-Bentinck.
The blood of the unknown man in the Yorkshire village had now reached the family of the Duke of Portland, and in the next generation the daughter of Caroline and Charles, Nina Cecilia, married Claud George Bowes-Lyon, the 14th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne. She bore him six sons and four daughters, of whom the youngest daughter was to become the Queen of that King who reigned over the world’s largest empire.
Did Thomas Lister dream that one day one of his great-great-great-great-grandchildren would lie in state in Westminster Hall? Almost certainly not, yet it is probable that he had a greater understanding of kingship than the average British subject today, and was more aware of the nation as a family whose head symbolised the unity of the nation. Our forefathers understood the factors on which the strength of the British nation and its cousins is based, and among these the blood relationships and family ties are of supreme importance. The Royal Family is our family, as the grief shown in the queues to enter Westminster Hall bears witness.
Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon
To illustrate the diversity of the Queen Mother’s ancestry, we publish here a list of the 49 great-great-great-great-grandparents so far identified. One of them is the link to her kinship with George Washington and Robert E. Lee.

When Dugald MacTavish of Dunardry decided to attack Baronage and its Editor, he chose to do so through the discussion board of his own website. There he repeated selected items from the libels published by Gary Martin Beaver, some of whose fraudulent claims to bogus titles we had exposed (and whose pretence to academic qualifications has now been exposed elsewhere complete with checkable chapter and verse), and embellished these with hints of facts he could not yet reveal provided by a mysterious company in the UK.
Dugald MacTavish of Dunardry, Chief of the Name and Arms of MacTavish, decided to follow up his public attack with a letter drawing our attention to what he had done. On his discussion board he had written “....... it does look rather strange that they do not seem to wish to defend or address the serious allegations that have and are, being made against them. We shall follow this very carefully, and will provide more information as it is received.” So now we publish his letter and the Editor’s reply. This should satisfy him.
With the publication of his letter we have taken the opportunity to examine his claims to superiority over Clan Thomson. As is becoming increasingly well known in Scottish circles, Dugald MacTavish of Dunardry claims to be the head of Scotland’s second largest clan. This claim is based on the inclusion of the Thomsons with the MacTavishes and a large number of other names (plus, according to some of his supporters, all the Campbells as well). We have taken the opportunity also to define the errors in his website’s portrayal of his arms. (The corrected Thomson quarter is shown here below left.)
The famous MacLean of Ardgour case made clear that the title “Clan Chief” is impossible to define adequately and that what is relevant is “the Name and Arms”. (The title of Chief was common in Celtic tribal structure, for the unit was the gilfine group ~ several related family households forming a minimum viable commune ~ under a gilfine chief.) Dunardry has been recognised as Chief of the Name and Arms of MacTavish and has no official recognition as Chief of any other Name. If MacTavish of Dunardry or his ancestors had the substance he claims, his arms would have supporters. They do not.
The Thomson quarter


This new chapter on differencing examines the use of the quarter and canton in the early centuries of heraldry. Additionally, it looks at one of the popular puzzles of mediaeval armory ~ how are the arms shown here on the right to be blazoned? (The galley is the galley of Lorn, and the charges in the 1st and 4th quarters are a Bonkyl buckle and a garb for Buchan.)

The arms of Stewart of Lorn


This new page continues Graham Johnston’s series of the arms of famous knights from the 13th and 14th centuries.


The comparatively new scam of “Knightships” is not yet showing much effect from the exposure we gave it towards the end of last year. We still receive letters asking whether they are authentic, and we have received our first query from a commercial organisation asking whether a potential customer using the title “Sir” and the postnominal “KCPT” might be genuine.

We have received also a letter from one of the merchants selling this bogus “title”. We publish it together with the Editor’s reply.


Since we reviewed the arrival online of a new volume (Scotland) of Burke’s Landed Gentry, the Burke’s Peerage & Gentry website has put online the content of the most recent issue of Burke’s Peerage & Baronetage and has begun planning a new edition. The following notice has been published ~

Burke’s Peerage & Baronetage intends including Scottish feudal barons in the next edition, the 107th. Holders of these territorial jurisdictions are asked to contact Hugh Peskett FSA (Scot), Consulting Editor Scotland, c/o 1 Avenue Road, Winchester SO22 5AQ, with full details of name, location and mode and date of acquisition of the barony.

heraldry - Estoile on shield
heraldry - Estoile on shield
A page from Estoile’s Scrapbook

( A fanfare of trumpets )

Among armigers recently featured in the news media are Lord Wrottesley, at Salt Lake City, and Julian Fellowes, in Hollywood.
Clifton Hugh Lancelot de Verdon Wrottesley, the 6th Baron Wrottesley, raced for Ireland in the skeleton bobsled team and came fourth. His ancestry is traced by Burke’s Peerage to a brother of the first Norman Abbot of Evesham after the Conquest. Interestingly, his arms are illustrated in both Burke’s and Debrett’s as they are shown here, with the piles meeting in base, but the blazon in both peerage directories is Or three piles Sable, a canton Ermine ~ which requires the three piles to hang vertically, without meeting.
The arms of Wrottesley
Julian Fellowes was in Hollywood to receive an Oscar for his screenplay of Gosford Park, a murder mystery that is more a social commentary on English life in the ’thirties (highly recommended!). After he married Emma Kitchener, great niece of Earl Kitchener of Khartoum, the last of the Kitchener line, he changed his name to Kitchener-Fellowes, so that his son, who cannot inherit the peerage title, will at least perpetuate the name.
The arms of Fellowes-Gordon of Knockespoch
We understand that he has petitioned for new arms to symbolise the Kitchener connection, so that his son will presumably bear the Kitchener arms ~ Gules a chevron Argent surmounted by another Azure between three bustards proper, in the centre chief point a bezant ~ as a quarter. The arms above right are those of his kinsman, the late Colonel Ian Douglas Fellowes-Gordon of Knockespoch, MC.
Julian Kitchener-Fellowes
Julian Fellowes on the set of Gosford Park


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