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“Knightships”
The recent article on “knightships” seems not to have diminished the interest shown by potential victims, possibly because the publicity generated by earlier victims trying to offload these worthless “titles” is spreading the net wider. Accordingly it could be useful to stress again that there is no such entity as a “knightship” ~ it is not a variant of a knighthood and its purchase (the sums being asked ranging from US$5,000 to US$25,000) brings no privileges, certainly not the lawful right to use the prefix “Sir”.

One of the principal merchants involved in this fraud has written the following letter to us.

HI,

It has come to my attention that you appear to have a problem with a field knight title. If possible, I would like to ease some of your concerns.

I would also like apologise in advance for any grammatical errors, but I'm not trying to write a book.

You are correct in thinking that Lord Buchanan does not appear on the English peerage list, as he holds a foreign title in his own right.

The Plantagenet toxophilties do exist, and are licensed to shoot with the Finsbury Mark, whom you can easily check upon. They are NOT an order of knights, nor do they claim to be so.

The title does not claim to be a knighthood, and is not hereditary, however the numbered deed may be left to your next of kin in a will, and they will be entered on the roll of honour.

The title of sir or dame may be legally used, providing the suffix KCPT is used along with it. The title is for use on the field, however people may choose to use it off the field if they so desire ( the same way that members of the hunt can use "Hon." when they are the Hon. Sec. of the hunt). All these factors have been licensed, registered with the patent office etc, and all the documentation has been processed through a reputable UK solicitor. They could not have done this without having seen fully evidence of the legality of the Plantagenets.

A percentage of the money DOES go to charities via monthly direct debit.

Would you therefore please take this page off your web site immediately. You cannot libel and slander anyone without proof, therefore would you be willing to put down in writing, on what basis you make these accusations, and in what way is it a scam. Please just replace it with a sentance such as " we were passed incorrect information...".

Other than that, action will be taken in the courts.

I would also just like to point out that I willingly offer these at no commercial gain to myself. I have also bought a title, and I am not involved higher up in the Plantagenet Toxophilites.

These titles have only been offered this year, and will not be available next year. We are an active group of archers, who meet up a few times a year to shoot together, along with the Finsbury, ie on the field.

Regards,

Neil
The text of the Editor’s reply was as follows ~
Dear Neil,

Thank you for your note. I shall respond to the points you made in the order in which you made them.

>> You are correct in thinking that Lord Buchanan does not appear on the English peerage list, as he holds a foreign title in his own right. <<

No British subject with a foreign title, even one who holds a genuine foreign title, is qualified thereby to prefix his name with the title "Lord". This ruling dates from the time of the first Queen Elizabeth who memorably decreed that no foreign shepherd would be permitted to brand her sheep.

>> The Plantagenet toxophilties do exist, and are licensed to shoot with the Finsbury Mark, whom you can easily check upon. They are NOT an order of knights, nor do they claim to be so. <<

The text to which you appear to object clearly stated that your association was not an order of knighthood.

>> The title does not claim to be a knighthood, and is not hereditary, however the numbered deed may be left to your next of kin in a will, and they will be entered on the roll of honour. <<

You state here that the "title" is not hereditary, but the advertisement specifically states that -- "It is possible to assign this title in a will to be left to your family on death, thus it becomes hereditary ......." It states also that the offer is of "a title that can be passed down your family line ......"

>> The title of sir or dame may be legally used, providing the suffix KCPT is used along with it. <<

For British subjects honours flow from the Crown alone.

>> The title is for use on the field, however people may choose to use it off the field if they so desire (the same way that members of the hunt can use "Hon." when they are the Hon. Sec. of the hunt). <<

An Hon. Sec. is an Honorary Secretary ~ which is to say that he or she holds the office of Secretary without reward. The abbreviation "Hon." alone is used only by the children of British peers in the rank of viscount and baron, and by the younger sons of British earls. You appear to have confused honorary with honourable.

>> All these factors have been licensed, registered with the patent office etc, and all the documentation has been processed through a reputable UK solicitor. They could not have done this without having seen fully evidence of the legality of the Plantagenets. <<

This is nonsense. Your association, "the Plantagenets", may well be a legal entity, but from that it does not follow that what was written in the E-bay advertisement was correct. "Lord Charles Buchanan Turnor" is not a younger son of a British duke or marquess. "Lord Buchanan Turnor of East Barkwith" is not a peer in any of the British peerages. And the abuse of Patent Office procedures to camouflage such absurdities as resuscitated manorial titles and hereditary knighthoods does not give the claims made for them any legal standing (as the Director of the Patent Office has already made clear by letter to solicitors involved in this trade).

>> A percentage of the money DOES go to charities via monthly direct debit. <<

I am pleased to learn this and, in anticipation of receiving documentary evidence both to support this and to demonstrate that the donations are of significant value, we shall during the next few days amend the webpage to state so.

>> Would you therefore please take this page off your web site immediately. You cannot libel and slander anyone without proof, therefore would you be willing to put down in writing, on what basis you make these accusations, and in what way is it a scam. <<

The advertisement will continue to qualify as a scam until it includes a prominent statement warning its readers that your association's "titles" are not titles of dignity or honour recognised by the Crown, and that Lord Buchanan Turnor of East Barkwith and Lord Charles Buchanan Turnor are not British lords. It will also continue to betray itself as a scam while it contains such claims as that "very few titles remain" when "there are only 250 Titles to be sold" and that "titles have sold at auction for up to $25,000".

>> Please just replace it with a sentance such as " we were passed incorrect information...". Other than that, action will be taken in the courts. <<

Now we have something about which we can agree. It is in everyone's interest that the claims made by this advertisement be tested in the courts. Let us have the name, address and telephone numbers of your "reputable UK solicitor" and we shall arrange with his office for your writ to be served on us expeditiously.
The name of the “reputable UK solicitor” has not been passed to us, so at the present time it appears that the threatened court action will not materialise.
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